Pre-Season Rankings Question
11/29/2016 10:47:44 AM
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Where are these times/rankings coming from that were used in the preseason rankings articles? For instance (girls 100m), according to the MileSplit database, there are 15 returning girls (not counting Alicia's 11.66 this summer) that have run under 12.20fat and 5 of those were sub 12. Several of the girls that are listed have run faster and several of the top returners aren't even listed. I love the articles, just looking for some background information :)
Where are these times/rankings coming from that were used in the preseason rankings articles? For instance (girls 100m), according to the MileSplit database, there are 15 returning girls (not counting Alicia's 11.66 this summer) that have run under 12.20fat and 5 of those were sub 12. Several of the girls that are listed have run faster and several of the top returners aren't even listed. I love the articles, just looking for some background information :)
11/29/2016 11:09:47 AM
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We used non-wind aided fat times with the exception of one athlete who was honorable mention due to head to head victory over one of the top 8. There will be other rankings but the sprint events are always plagued with grandparents hand times or heavy wind aided times which happened a lot last year at state.
We used non-wind aided fat times with the exception of one athlete who was honorable mention due to head to head victory over one of the top 8. There will be other rankings but the sprint events are always plagued with grandparents hand times or heavy wind aided times which happened a lot last year at state.
11/29/2016 3:12:51 PM
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Several times are incorrect even accounting for wind. One huge omission is Madison Fuller. She should definitely be on this list.
Several times are incorrect even accounting for wind. One huge omission is Madison Fuller. She should definitely be on this list.
11/29/2016 3:31:57 PM
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Madison certainly has a place on the list. She will likely be way up the list in the 200 dash.
Madison certainly has a place on the list. She will likely be way up the list in the 200 dash.
11/30/2016 2:52:02 PM
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Great! Just Happy to see them recognized. Keep up the good work.
Great! Just Happy to see them recognized. Keep up the good work.
12/01/2016 10:13:49 AM
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@bantazmo I agree, lots of 100 meter times are plagued with hand times and heavily wind-aided times. This also continues to bog down the adoption of qualifying standards :( Looking head to head can sometimes be a viable option for rankings...but with sprinters, you never when they will have a good day vs an off day. You might consider adding Garionna Pearl in the 100 though, she was 2nd in class 5 prelims and finals at state. Not sure she was consistent enough for consideration in the 200 though. Interestingly, most of the top female sprinters from all classes return this spring.
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I agree, lots of 100 meter times are plagued with hand times and heavily wind-aided times. This also continues to bog down the adoption of qualifying standards :(

Looking head to head can sometimes be a viable option for rankings...but with sprinters, you never when they will have a good day vs an off day.

You might consider adding Garionna Pearl in the 100 though, she was 2nd in class 5 prelims and finals at state. Not sure she was consistent enough for consideration in the 200 though. Interestingly, most of the top female sprinters from all classes return this spring.
12/02/2016 1:33:52 PM
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In the Boys 4x800 Meter Relay, I would have to say that, based on last year's state meet performances, that Lafayette, Jefferson City, and Blue Springs would have to be ranked 1-2-3 in the state RIGHT NOW. I was impressed by the fact that there were a whopping EIGHT squads that broke the 8 minute barrier. In addition to the aforementioned three, the 8 minute mark was eclipsed by Kearny, Webb City, Jackson, Liberty, and Nixa.
In the Boys 4x800 Meter Relay, I would have to say that, based on last year's state meet performances, that Lafayette, Jefferson City, and Blue Springs would have to be ranked 1-2-3 in the state RIGHT NOW. I was impressed by the fact that there were a whopping EIGHT squads that broke the 8 minute barrier. In addition to the aforementioned three, the 8 minute mark was eclipsed by Kearny, Webb City, Jackson, Liberty, and Nixa.
12/05/2016 9:14:48 AM
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Ok 200 preseason list about to fire up. Any thoughts?
Ok 200 preseason list about to fire up. Any thoughts?
12/05/2016 10:51:47 AM
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@Dizzy17 Can't wait to see those teams and others light it up in the 4 x 800. It's always a highlight for me. The individual accomplishment for Lafayette last year in the event speaks for itself. However, The banner year for teams in that even (historians may have another) which is rarely discussed was 2012, with 10 teams in the (old) Class 4 going sub 8:00 (3 sub 7:50). Without a DQ there would have been 11 total Class 4 teams sub 8:00. Takes a whole lot statewide besides good athletes and coaching to see something that awesome (lack of significant injuries, great weather all spring, day 1 as opposed to day 2 for the event, etc...). I know it benefits some, but that kind of competition in one race was one of the reason I didn't want to see five classes. Still lots of great races the last few years, but it is harder to see something of that caliber.
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Can't wait to see those teams and others light it up in the 4 x 800. It's always a highlight for me.

The individual accomplishment for Lafayette last year in the event speaks for itself.

However, The banner year for teams in that even (historians may have another) which is rarely discussed was 2012, with 10 teams in the (old) Class 4 going sub 8:00 (3 sub 7:50). Without a DQ there would have been 11 total Class 4 teams sub 8:00.

Takes a whole lot statewide besides good athletes and coaching to see something that awesome (lack of significant injuries, great weather all spring, day 1 as opposed to day 2 for the event, etc...).

I know it benefits some, but that kind of competition in one race was one of the reason I didn't want to see five classes. Still lots of great races the last few years, but it is harder to see something of that caliber.
12/05/2016 2:23:33 PM
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Had to look it up to be sure. 18 total teams statewide sub 8:00 in 2012. That's awesome!
Had to look it up to be sure.

18 total teams statewide sub 8:00 in 2012.

That's awesome!
12/05/2016 5:33:32 PM
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@mutiger31 Probably was. Only 5 teams have went under 8:00 and not placed. Two were in 2012, one in 2013 and two in 1983. 1983 had 13 schools go sub-8 in the state series. Two 3A schools went sub-8 and another 4A school went sub-8 at the sectional meet but did not do so at the state meet.
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Probably was. Only 5 teams have went under 8:00 and not placed. Two were in 2012, one in 2013 and two in 1983. 1983 had 13 schools go sub-8 in the state series. Two 3A schools went sub-8 and another 4A school went sub-8 at the sectional meet but did not do so at the state meet.
12/06/2016 9:08:30 AM
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^ 2010-2012 were kind of a renaissance in the distance events in my opinion. 2011 and 2012 were two of the three fastest 3200 years in state history on the boys side, the 2010 C4 800 final was nuts, 4x8s were breaking 8:00 like it was nothing, and the 1600 was extremely deep... That was just a fast 3 years...
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2010-2012 were kind of a renaissance in the distance events in my opinion. 2011 and 2012 were two of the three fastest 3200 years in state history on the boys side, the 2010 C4 800 final was nuts, 4x8s were breaking 8:00 like it was nothing, and the 1600 was extremely deep... That was just a fast 3 years...
12/14/2016 2:14:43 PM
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[quote=Hays]@mutiger31 Probably was. Only 5 teams have went under 8:00 and not placed. Two were in 2012, one in 2013 and two in 1983. 1983 had 13 schools go sub-8 in the state series. Two 3A schools went sub-8 and another 4A school went sub-8 at the sectional meet but did not do so at the state meet.[/quote] @Hays To be fair, in 2003 Rockhurst ran 7:52 in the state series and didn't score because they were 5th. At Sectionals.
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Probably was. Only 5 teams have went under 8:00 and not placed. Two were in 2012, one in 2013 and two in 1983. 1983 had 13 schools go sub-8 in the state series. Two 3A schools went sub-8 and another 4A school went sub-8 at the sectional meet but did not do so at the state meet.


@Hays To be fair, in 2003 Rockhurst ran 7:52 in the state series and didn't score because they were 5th. At Sectionals.
12/14/2016 6:07:43 PM
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Poor wording on my part. It should say only 5 teams have went under 8:00 “at the state meet” and not placed in the top 8. Rockhurst ran 7:51.82 to finish 5th, .01 seconds behind #4 Blue Springs and .78 seconds behind 1st place Lee’s Summit in the 2003 KC sectional meet. Looks like some serious rubbing and racing on the home stretch. None of those teams had times as fast at the state meet. Lee's Summit was 7th, Blue Springs was 3rd, Oak Park 3rd at the sectional meet was 2nd and Liberty was a DQ. Do not remember the why of that nor what the weather was like. I have not dumped in the sectional results that I have to my database yet, but with a cold hard winter I should have them all in by this spring. Then I could say how many sub-8s have finished 5th or lower at the district/sectional meets. I bet other than Rockhurst in 2003, there are not many.
Poor wording on my part. It should say only 5 teams have went under 8:00 "at the state meet" and not placed in the top 8.
Rockhurst ran 7:51.82 to finish 5th, .01 seconds behind #4 Blue Springs and .78 seconds behind 1st place Lee's Summit in the 2003 KC sectional meet. Looks like some serious rubbing and racing on the home stretch.
None of those teams had times as fast at the state meet. Lee's Summit was 7th, Blue Springs was 3rd, Oak Park 3rd at the sectional meet was 2nd and Liberty was a DQ. Do not remember the why of that nor what the weather was like.
I have not dumped in the sectional results that I have to my database yet, but with a cold hard winter I should have them all in by this spring. Then I could say how many sub-8s have finished 5th or lower at the district/sectional meets. I bet other than Rockhurst in 2003, there are not many.
12/15/2016 2:51:57 PM
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@Hays I would agree with you that there likely haven't been many other sub 8 sectional teams left home. Yes, there was a lot of rubbing in the home stretch and it was one of the most exciting races I've ever had the privilege of witnessing. You are also right that the KC sectional was not able to replicate it the following week. Liberty was DQ'd for some contact with West Plains on their 2nd or 3rd leg, but as that wasn't known during the race it made for quite the finish when Harper ran down Graybill from about 5 seconds back on the anchor leg. I believe they (West Plains and Liberty) both went on to run fast times in the same event at Adidas Outdoor Nationals (or maybe that was 2002, or maybe it was both 2002 and 2003). Probably worth noting that Perkins was not running for Liberty in the State series due to issues he had with not being able to compete outside of the 250 mile radius.
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I would agree with you that there likely haven't been many other sub 8 sectional teams left home. Yes, there was a lot of rubbing in the home stretch and it was one of the most exciting races I've ever had the privilege of witnessing.

You are also right that the KC sectional was not able to replicate it the following week. Liberty was DQ'd for some contact with West Plains on their 2nd or 3rd leg, but as that wasn't known during the race it made for quite the finish when Harper ran down Graybill from about 5 seconds back on the anchor leg. I believe they (West Plains and Liberty) both went on to run fast times in the same event at Adidas Outdoor Nationals (or maybe that was 2002, or maybe it was both 2002 and 2003). Probably worth noting that Perkins was not running for Liberty in the State series due to issues he had with not being able to compete outside of the 250 mile radius.
12/23/2016 12:54:55 PM
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Just curious..... What about the Hurdles? the Field Events? The 4x1, 4x2, and 4x4 Relays?
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What about the Hurdles? the Field Events? The 4x1, 4x2, and 4x4 Relays?
12/23/2016 9:52:29 PM
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Coming soon. We will be doing 100HH next. However, every event will get covered and then we be doing the top 10 preseason teams for boys and girls.
Coming soon. We will be doing 100HH next. However, every event will get covered and then we be doing the top 10 preseason teams for boys and girls.
12/28/2016 12:07:43 PM
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Jefferson City is particularly deep in the Middle and Long Distance events.
Jefferson City is particularly deep in the Middle and Long Distance events.

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